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Old 11-17-2006, 02:23 AM   #1
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Default --- vst automation linked to generic controller ---

MOSTLY addressed, could be some refinements, perhaps it could be refined by some of these suggestions.



\\\the feature

the ability to link GUI or hidden controls to envelopes, but more importantly, knobs, wheels or sliders on external controllers.

the implementation

another great example of this is in FL..

can we do this yet in reaper? If not, it would be nice to have a way to right click a GUI control on a vst/vsti and be able to link it to a knob.

im not sure if you can do this with any vst... i know in FL, for its integrated synths and in the program itself you can right click just about ANYTHING, and here is what you get:



(over the global pitch change slider in FL)



(in FLs own native "flangus" plugin)

however, in vsti's, its a bit different. You cant seem to right click on any knob, in FL anyway. But they have a workaround... what you do is move the knob you want to tweak, and then go here:



It will remember the last thing you tweaked and will make it available in the same way.

not only that, but you can go to the browser on the left and select the parameter from a list of available parameters.


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Old 11-17-2006, 02:28 AM   #2
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and if you select "link to controller" in ANY of these circumstances



you get a box with alot of options:



you can tweak these if you want -- however you dont need to.

all you need to do at this point, is move a knob, wheel, trigger, midi note, or slider on the desired midi controller of your choice.

then, that parameter will be linked to the knob. simple as that.

but you dont have to "link to controller" -- by using this dialog you can also quickly access and or create envelopes, edit events, etc.

benefit

you may ask, why did i just spend all of this time giving a tutorial on how to link parameters in a totally different program?

Because FLstudio's external control is heralded as the best by alot of people, even if they hate the other features. You can make templates if you wish, but otherwise its totally flexible and easy.

the benefit to live jamming via vsti's is incalculable.

I hope reaper can implement a similar system to this




now, i dont know why in FL you cant right click a knob on a vsti and tweak it but if it can sense what knob you are turning and then tell you on that other menu -- i dont understand how it can do that then...

but whatever is decided im sure it will be good -- but heres my thoughts
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Old 11-17-2006, 03:16 AM   #3
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At the moment, you can do this with the faders to control volume and draw enveloppes on tracks, with certain settings. One thread talked about it lately.
This feature would be really nice, quite close to the midi learn request, which i guess is in the todo list.
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Old 11-17-2006, 05:02 PM   #4
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I thought midi learn had already been done??
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Old 11-17-2006, 05:30 PM   #5
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I thought midi learn had already been done??
mmh... not really Art.
'Midi learn' woudl mean there is an easy way to link any Reaper or third party plugin parameter to a midi controller, and we're not quite here.
For example : You can't make midi learn to a plugin (a synth's adsr, a filter's cutoff,a delay's feedback), you can assign tempo to a knob, you can't assign "play/stop/record" to a keyboard note or a pad, you can't assign the panning of a track to a knob with a single right-click, etc.

At the moment, you can only record track's faders in a certain record mode (which is already fine, but not enough to be called a proper midi learn, and not user-friendly enough).

I know everybody can't try every host in the world, so i won't say "just have a look at Live or EnergyXT" , but jason is right, Fruity Loops is really fine at this, and so does Ableton Live and EnergyXT : just about anything can be assigned/learned in a very friendly, quick, efficient way.
Ableton Live6 gives also the ability to control severalparmaeters to a single knob, so you can for example raise the volume of 4 tracks with a single knob, or increase the resonance of a filter while cutting off the frequency (so you guessed it, it is a midi freak stsuff ! ).

And what is also fine with EnergyXT, is that thanks to the host's abilities of making everything "midi learnable", you can bring midi learn to plugins which dosen't have this feature natively.
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Old 11-17-2006, 09:00 PM   #6
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I like the way its done in Live. You set the program into learn mode(single button), and click anything that is highlighted (pretty much every thing) move a knob or play a note, and it is set. Cant get any easier than that.

Though Im sure if, and when, Reaper goes there, it will be good.
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I like the way its done in Live. You set the program into learn mode(single button), and click anything that is highlighted (pretty much every thing) move a knob or play a note, and it is set. Cant get any easier than that.

Though Im sure if, and when, Reaper goes there, it will be good.
does that work with third party vstis as well?
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does that work with third party vstis as well?
Im not sure, but it should!
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Im not sure, but it should!
im just saying, it would be odd if it lit up on third party vstis -- but cool and worthy of imitation for sure!
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does that work with third party vstis as well?
Yes.
You have to open the vsti in "no GUI" mode, then each parameter is displayed, and can be assigned.
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Old 12-01-2006, 06:57 AM   #11
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Yes.
You have to open the vsti in "no GUI" mode, then each parameter is displayed, and can be assigned.
ahh well not so great then, but ok.

ok, even the basic functionality of being able to move a VSTs gui around while having the movements recorded...

but come on, lets get "link to controller" done -- its a feature that many will be looking for, implemented in a simple way.
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Yes, i am very favorable to a nice handling of midi learn/link to controller !
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Old 01-25-2007, 07:13 PM   #13
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mostly addressed, but bump
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