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Old 02-08-2007, 07:12 AM   #1
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Default More intricate, elaborate Fx chain routing.

I sort of picture Energy XT within REAPER's routing scheme...

here is reapers regular signal chain with a slight modification:

[IMG]http://img403.**************/img403/7348/13456ax4.png[/IMG]

see the "routing overview" part?

Let's click on that and see what we get.
[IMG]http://img403.**************/img403/24/245674567ky2.png[/IMG]

See from here we can do all sorts of nice stuff from within the track itself! Notice how BFD all is simple to route -- just see the 17 outputs and drag lines to where and what effect you want it to go to!!!!

simple as pie.

and very flexible.

you could even output to another track from a plugin within a chain!!!! (insert, send to track ((dropdown menu Track1, Track2 (((bass))), track3 etc etc..)) and then an insert would appear in that tracks routing overview where you can put it where you wish...)

THIS would make reapers routing the most flexible of them all for sure.

and btw, anyone ever see how nicely ExT makes plugin lists?
[IMG]http://img403.**************/img403/1930/pluginsab9.png[/IMG]

in REAPER it doesnt fit the screen in any way shape or form.
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Old 02-08-2007, 10:19 AM   #2
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Yeah, that looks nice....
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Old 02-08-2007, 01:49 PM   #3
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Sorry Jason, I would prefer that some features don't get too fancy. For example I like the current simplicity of track routing, compared to the quirky in/out settings of Cubendo.
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Old 02-08-2007, 01:58 PM   #4
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you would never have to see these though!

you could use reaper the way you always did, without enhance in-fx chain routing capabilities.
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Old 02-08-2007, 02:06 PM   #5
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It should be smartly auto-organizing (nodes move when changes are made), a hierarchical tree that can be rotated and zoomed, and the screen can be split so distant nodes can be easily connected between the two screen halves.

Adding features doesn't mean simplicity has to be sacrificed. Having many features doesn't equal complexity or unintuitiveness. Having few, limited features does not equal simplicity or ease of use. A good UI design lets users simplify usage to the level of their needs and skills by ignoring features that they don't need or can't use.
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Old 02-08-2007, 02:14 PM   #6
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Does latency compensation work for eXT plug-in chains?
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Old 02-08-2007, 06:22 PM   #7
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you would never have to see these though!

you could use reaper the way you always did, without enhance in-fx chain routing capabilities.
I'm down with that. I just don't want bloat. We won't disagree too often JBM.
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Old 02-08-2007, 06:39 PM   #8
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I love the ideas, Jason ! +100

The routing window kind of reminds me Logic Environment+Reaktor, but done better. It would also work great for midi plugins !

The plugin menu is also very similar to what I know from Logic. Very convenient - even though I start to value the Reaper approach more and more.

What I'd love to see in the add fx box is

1) "sort by manufacturer",
2) auto-folders for software companies (simple tree), yet, when viewing all DX or all VST plugins, in the right pane you would still see them all without any folders.
3) no "VST" added when you view the "all VST" - it's obvious
4) a modifier+mouse shortcut to bypass all fx at once.
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Old 02-08-2007, 06:55 PM   #9
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I'm down with that. I just don't want bloat. We won't disagree too often JBM.
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yeah just figured i would make that clear -- it wouldnt bother you, but i see your point.

no worries
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Old 02-10-2007, 12:39 AM   #10
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The FX routing needs to be streamlined, somehow, IMO..

I'm completely convinced that a visual paradigm for routing and FX settings is vital. I don't think it has to be as elaborate as apparently the above, but something that showed items as graphical elements that you can *see in the order they're connected* would go a long way towards making things easier to remember.

In other words, I don't think we need a flow-chart setup with lines going everywhere - just a grapical representation: a knob shown for the send, a graphical minaturized representation of the FX item(s), and a fader for where it ends up (ala Line6's "pedal board" stuff)

It's simple, and at a glance you know how things are configured. That's what we need.
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Old 02-10-2007, 12:46 AM   #11
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The FX routing needs to be streamlined, somehow, IMO..

I'm completely convinced that a visual paradigm for routing and FX settings is vital. I don't think it has to be as elaborate as apparently the above, but something that showed items as graphical elements that you can *see in the order they're connected* would go a long way towards making things easier to remember.

In other words, I don't think we need a flow-chart setup with lines going everywhere - just a grapical representation: a knob shown for the send, a graphical minaturized representation of the FX item(s), and a fader for where it ends up (ala Line6's "pedal board" stuff)

It's simple, and at a glance you know how things are configured. That's what we need.
yeh, at least that and simple too.
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Old 07-10-2007, 06:15 PM   #12
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JBM, this FX routing overview and plugin lists are so Yay! Maaan I'd love to see those in Reaper. It would make routing changes, connecting a VSTi and such in a snap!

Personally, I use EXT a lot and find those two features thr best two features in EXT beside very good MIDI.

Cheers!

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Old 07-10-2007, 10:43 PM   #13
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JBM, this FX routing overview and plugin lists are so Yay! Maaan I'd love to see those in Reaper. It would make routing changes, connecting a VSTi and such in a snap!

Personally, I use EXT a lot and find those two features thr best two features in EXT beside very good MIDI.

Cheers!
ditto!
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Old 11-07-2007, 03:01 PM   #14
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Justin,
please add a "modular matrix" like XT. Even better take a quick tour of Buzz. Buzz is better because on each line you can adjust the audio amplitude from that source to the target. In essence, each line becomes a discrete send, and if you want to encapsulate a level all you need to do is insert a dummy effect that recieves one signal to adjest and sendt that level to many effects.
got it?

+90 Kabillion for any kind of visual modular routing!

(Ps. I happen to be a mod of the xt forum )

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Old 11-07-2007, 07:58 PM   #15
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+1 for modular routing.
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Old 11-09-2007, 09:54 AM   #16
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+1 and a big old bump!
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Old 11-13-2007, 03:55 AM   #17
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++1 another one from me. I, too, think there's something to this visualisation thing. EXT and Buzz surpass every audio app on PC, as far as easy routing goes, hands and knees down. Drop down menus just aren't up to it as icons, plugs and virtual cables are.

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Old 11-14-2007, 08:47 AM   #18
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Every decent audio app should take advantage of the possibilities of such a flexible interface and routing schema.
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Old 11-14-2007, 12:13 PM   #19
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Every decent audio app should take advantage of the possibilities of such a flexible interface and routing schema.
my thoughts exactly.
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